@Yes Arena: Edmonton needs to determine if it wishes to be known more for arts and culture or semi serious sports.
If Pro Hocky had less of a reputation for being "Thugs on Ice", I might be more in favour of this particular venture.
I wonder if the recent violence in Edmonton is a reflection of this "Hockey state of Mind".
by Driver10/25/2011 8:14:04 PM
Don Iveson is funny.
by Critic10/25/2011 8:14:07 PM
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:15:22 PM
@Driver I don't see what this "Thugs on Ice" comment has to do with the discussion. If you want to use that argument lets talk about all the charity work done by the Oiler players.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:16:55 PM
@ Driver, correlating violence in Edmonton to Hockey is a joke right? have you watched rugby, boxing, UFC or any of the other way more violent sports out there? I would have a hard time believing that our "Thugs on Ice" are the reason people are being left in bloody pools in impoverised neighborhoods
by Eric10/25/2011 8:17:01 PM
Council still asking questions of the speakers.
by Karyn Mulcahy10/25/2011 8:19:37 PM
Bob Walker says $450 million would include sewer and water hookup, architecture, but not LRT hookup.
by Karyn Mulcahy10/25/2011 8:23:15 PM
@Yes Arena: Most of the charity work that you refer to is hidden from the people. The activities that take place on ice are broadcast to a million or more people. The allowance of this hockey violence gives people the idea that rules don't mean much.
The other sports that you refer to have less of a following than hockey, but the rules of the particular sports are more stringently enforced.
It falls back on the concept of "I will do what I want, seeing as my 'Heros' can do what they want".
Consider the blatant violations of the "rules of the road" that we see each day. This is a symptom of the lack of respect for the society in which we live.
by Driver10/25/2011 8:24:38 PM
@ Driver, I agree with most of what you just said. However, I still dont believe that hockey is the cause of violence in our city. Too many factors contribute to that including movies, video games and so on to blame one particular event as the catalyst to violence. Either way, I don't think that it is relevant to whether we should build a new arena or not.
by Eric10/25/2011 8:28:07 PM
the city could give Northlands money to fix the current arena BUT take a look at what Northland has done for the city...Ran the indy into debt, run the Rexall place to the ground...the horse races are now having financial difficulty...Maybe it's time for a Change...Give KATZ a chance to do some good for Edmonton...lets see what he can do with the city's money....He is proven that he is successful with his own business so lets see what he can do!!! why not give him a chance the only thing we have to loose at this point is a hockey team!
by not just an arena10/25/2011 8:28:40 PM
@Driver actually i didn't refer to any other sports but i don't believe violence in Edmonton has a thing to do with the hockey team. Sorry. It sounds to me like you have a personal issue with hockey and honestly that has nothing to do with the discussion. This is not a hockey issue but a civic issue and whether a facility, not a team or its players would work in Edmonton.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:28:42 PM
Katz has already done great things for our city, including the Katz Group Centre for Pharmacy and Health Research at the University of Alberta. Northlands has a really poor track record of managing money and I agree it is time to put our money elsewhere.
by Eric10/25/2011 8:33:15 PM
Don Iveson is funny.
by Critic10/25/2011 8:34:04 PM
Moral stances on rules and conduct in the sports have little to do with this, It is a business, will it generate more business, and stimulate growth and life. Night clubs, bars, strip clubs etc all have questionable motives or lifestyles at times connected to their businesses. They exist, get over it. The only questions should be is: can we do it? and will our city benefit from the change? and in what way? Better or worse. Don't confuse your personal interests in this.
by Triple T10/25/2011 8:37:03 PM
This is about business and what is good for Edmonton as a whole. I don't go to the art gallery but have no problem with tax dollars funding it. Same with transit, how much has been invested in that and not everyone in Edmonton takes the bus. This project can benefit Edmonton as whole, like the Art Gallery and public transit.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:38:56 PM
Apologies, I got a couple of responses mixed up. The other sports were actually referred to by Eric.
yes, this is a Civic issue, but the main focus and driving factor at this time seems to be "The Edmonton Oilers". This also seems to be the only solid commitment to the arena.
If the situation were to focus on other aspects of the facility, including a fair ownership/ entertainment situation, it would make the arena easier to swallow.
Hockey is entertainment. It should be contracted as any other entertainment is. The entertaining organization should perform for a fixed fee, or a percentage of the gate. It should not dictate the use of the facility. Nor should it own any portion of the facility.
by Driver10/25/2011 8:39:07 PM
No worries Driver, having trouble keeping up myself. I think the Oilers are an issue because they will be the primary tenant, not the only one and they have offerred up $100 million to the project. I agree with much of your last post and maybe people should think outside of the Oilers. Concerts, Rodeo, Childrens shows, all will take place in a new facility.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:43:04 PM
Yes, because the Edmonton Oilers need a new home, the team knows this, the league knows this the fans know this, it just comes down to how it will happen. The other aspects of the facility are all incorporated, just many people are not absorbing the big picture and are focussing solely on the fact that yes, the Edmonton Oilers plan to play in this new facility. There are many positives that will come from it aside from entertainment including local businesses in the area as well as other aspects to be included in the building.
by Eric10/25/2011 8:44:14 PM
Been a slice folks. Take care.
by Driver10/25/2011 8:45:59 PM
No Arena? Welcome to Deadmonton (from the urban dictionary)
The name described for a population of people that happen to inhabit Edmonton and don't like to do adventure outside households after school/work.
Example: "Wanna go to a movie tonight?" "Nah, theaters closed down in Deadmonton."
by Born and raised Edmontonian10/25/2011 8:50:50 PM
@Born & Raised, well said. This is a great city and i chose to live here despite other options. The city needs this and now is the time. How many times can the citizens walk around West Edmonton Mall?
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 8:54:28 PM
How many councellers are part of the Northlands board, conflict of interest and non profit my&*&*%% they just pay each other out more money at years end. They also pay the city little or no rent, wow great deal
by Cbar10/25/2011 8:55:22 PM
@ Cbar, how many councillors are actually affiliated with Northlands?
by Eric10/25/2011 9:01:52 PM
Remember pro-arena supporters: all you have to do to skew the poll results is hit F5 (refresh) and keep answering the poll question, just like I've done! No-one will ever know...
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:16:50 PM
@Yes Arena. Kind of desperate to use my login name to put out a false message isn't it. Pathetic actually since i didn't make this statement.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:19:29 PM
Quit with the childish games, and quit skewing the results whoever is doing it.
by Eric10/25/2011 9:23:25 PM
what a waste of money on a arena how about the oilers not finish in the bottom of the nhl.
by mike10/25/2011 9:24:27 PM
we could take 400m and make the lrt goto all ends of the city and plow snow to bare pavement or lets try this one hire more police to try and reduce our homicide rate do we think the murder capital of canada needs a arena
by mike10/25/2011 9:27:09 PM
Not everyone uses the LRT Mike so you would get an argument from people on that one as well. City will still have crime and roads will still be covered in snow whether or not the Arena ever gets built.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:30:02 PM
You would think the only thing some Edmontonians are interested in is snow removal and pot holes. Get a life!
by Barb10/25/2011 9:31:15 PM
blah the oilers suck ass let them go
by mike10/25/2011 9:31:32 PM
So if THe Oilers beocme a powerhouse in a couple of seasons with all the great young talent, will you support an Arena then Mike?
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:32:36 PM
I aggree with the Arena, but disagree with it being tax funded.
by Randy10/25/2011 9:33:00 PM
by mike10/25/2011 9:33:06 PM
not worth the money and the hassel oilers need to win if they want a new arena
by no@arena10/25/2011 9:33:30 PM
give the money to the single parents and the homeless lets make a billionare richer good plan
by mike10/25/2011 9:34:04 PM
Correct, it is a business decision and the performance of one of the tenents should have nothing to do with the decision. It is about the downtown and the City as a whole.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:34:24 PM
The arena should be built!
by Ron Biggs10/25/2011 9:35:09 PM
Build it...why dont you take a stroll over to winnipeg and ask them how much we'll regret it if we dont
by Travis Kutz10/25/2011 9:36:07 PM
all i see is the city of edmonton taxes rising and the people getting poorer
by no@arena10/25/2011 9:36:36 PM
Let the sinlge parents earn thier own money like my mother did. If they want charity try the Federal Government, they are responsible for social programs.
by Yes Arena10/25/2011 9:36:59 PM
hey yes arena pull your head out of your ass and go ask the fed gov to build you a arena oh wait they said NO
by mike10/25/2011 9:38:53 PM
I say build it! Either that or lose the oilers for good!
by Dan M.10/25/2011 9:39:03 PM
by @no arena10/25/2011 9:39:32 PM
My taxes have gone up every year since i have been living here. Haven't seen any arenas built in that time so i question that argument.